Saturday, November 24, 2007

Money and politics in Canada

I completely agree with Tuns on this one;
I should note that the real scandal is the limitations we put on money in politics and our hang-ups about buying politicians. I find absolutely nothing wrong with paying a former politician to lobby a government that follows. But Mulroney received money before he left office, you might protest. That is a little more controversial, but I still think people should be allowed to buy politicians -- candidates and office-holders -- as long as it is all in the open.
However, I can't say the same about former Prime Ministers who wear out their welcome after being defeated or resigning their leadership only to collect more unnecessary money from Canadian taxpayers. Here are some examples:
  • After his second election defeat in '88, John Turner stepped down as Liberal leader only to completely disappear from the political map (as well as the House of Commons) while retaining his Vancouver-Quadra seat and, in turn, collecting a full salary -- about $47,000 annually -- until June 22nd, 1990 (almost two years after the fact). The reasoning? If he doesn't hang onto his seat, the Liberals might otherwise lose it in an ensuing by-election. In other words, [he] has put the fortunes of his party ahead of the citizens of Vancouver-Quadra and taxpayers as they are denied an active member in that riding.
  • For those taxpayers who believed that they'd paid the last bill for Brian Mulroney when Kim Campbell was sworn in as prime minister on June 25, 1993, you were wrong. Mulroney continued to receive a salary and expenses as a member of parliament -- about $85,000 annually -- until he formally quit after the October 25th general election where his party was reduced to two seats in the house of commons.
  • The same can be said for Paul Martin who many can remember resigned as Liberal leader back in late January 2006 the night of his election defeat in front of a crowd of emotional supporters in his Montreal riding of LaSalle-Émard. Well, it's coming upon two years since that day, not to mention, a new Liberal leader, Stephane Dion, has been installed (last December) by party members/delegates. Regardless, Martin still choses to hold onto his seat which is worth about $131,400 annually to taxpayers. Why? Because much like former Liberal leader John Turner, Paul Martin believes the fortunes of the Liberal party, and preventing a by-election defeat, are much more important than the right for people in that riding to have an active member of parliament. By the time he [Martin] leaves office for good, he will have cost Canadian taxpayers clearly more than the $300,000 in cash which Mulroney allegedly accepted from a private citizen, Karlheinz Schreiber, after he had left office.

Again, I'm not suggesting that Mulroney should get off scott free for his actions in this affair, I just think we need to put it all in perspective here, especially from a taxpayers' point of view.

11 Comments:

At Nov 24, 2007, 3:19:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the 2.1 million that he received as part of a libel settlement?

 
At Nov 24, 2007, 4:22:00 PM , Blogger Garner As Mist said...

NB, at least with regard to Paul Martin I think you have missed the boat on this one. A quick check of http://parl.howdtheyvote.ca shows that PM was in fact present for all the major votes in the HOC since he has been deposed as Liberal Leader.

Indeed his duty to his constituents does not stop because he is no longer the Prime Minister. You can claim (wrongly I think) that the loss makes him a lame duck but regardless, the citizens of his riding voted for him and he has a mandate at least until the next general election.

 
At Nov 24, 2007, 5:33:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure if I agree zip as having a member that shows up for a few whipped votes doth not constitute an active member of parliament or a $131,400 salary for that matter, especially when you have some other members who put in so many hours (both in their constituency and on the hill) that their salaries barely comes to minimum wage per hour. Not sure if dithers is in that category? He used to be, but he's not even at 5% of his full potential which is why he should pack it in and let some fresh blood represent the people of LaSalle-Émard.

But you are correct, the voters did vote for him before he said publically that he was resigning. Not sure if they would have if they had known that in advance?

 
At Nov 24, 2007, 6:37:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they should bring back Paul Martin for another crack @ Harper? He couldn't do any worse than that other guy.

 
At Nov 24, 2007, 8:20:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting scenerio. And you wonder if there would be anybody in the Liberal caucus that would flirt with such a scenerio once Dion completely collapses?

Back to reality!! He's done.

 
At Nov 25, 2007, 5:01:00 PM , Blogger Garner As Mist said...

With all due respect, regardless of how wrong you and I may think 'whipped votes' are, the fact remains that the Honourable member for LaSalle—Émard was present in the HoC and doing his duty to the people of his constituency.

 
At Nov 25, 2007, 5:54:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not really. My arguement rest on the fact that he is wasting taxpayers dollars simply because he is still collecting a pay cheque (much like Turner and Mulroney did).

The people of LaSalle—Émard would be much better off with a neophyte MP with his/her heart in the game rather than a "has been" whose career ended a few years back.

He is yesterdays man who shows up to vote. Last time I looked that doth not constitute an active member of parliament. Time to move forward.

 
At Nov 25, 2007, 7:44:00 PM , Blogger Garner As Mist said...

Needless to say nb, I disagree.

Let the people of his riding pass judgment as all voters do on election night. Let them decide who is yesterdays man... or not.

 
At Nov 26, 2007, 10:46:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the person has the personal responsibility to the taxpayer when he/she knows that their heart and mind are no longer in their job.

Think about the NFL for a moment. Nobody wants to see Tom Brady throwing the ball twenty years from now. It not only does a disservice to his fans, but to his great career as well. It's best to go out when you are on top, not after a long decline where you overstayed your welcome.

In the case of a politician past his best before date, it does a disservice to taxpayers. Though I do hear where you're coming from.

Apologies to those Patriot fans for the comparison to dithers.

 
At Nov 27, 2007, 4:33:00 PM , Blogger Independent said...

Winston Churchill was considered well past his prime in 1939. John A Macdonald also returned for a second term after a bribery scandal ended his first.

As long as the voters of Lasalle-Emard want to elect Paul Martin to Parliament, he should be free to represent them. I daresay his silence from the backbenches is no more deafening than that of other backbenchers, especially on the Government side.

 
At Nov 27, 2007, 5:49:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So judging from those two examples you mentioned above, I take it Dithers is considering a run at the Liberal leadership?

 

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