It's not about equalization, money or favouratism, it's about integrity
Moreover, what was even more interesting was the nasty emails I received from both Ontarioans and Albertans alike. The crux of their beefs towards the east seem to be as simple as: Maritimers are a bunch of whiny welfare bums looking for a handout! Nice. (and a very generalized historical effort, I might add)
I won't rehash the discussion I had regarding who received more help from the feds (over the years) when it comes to policies and subsidies. I won't get into the massive amount of money earmarked for mass immigration at the turn of the century (1905 to be exact) by the government to fill the vast Prairie West...like I said, I won't get into that. I won't get into the billions and billions of dollars funnelled into the Auto industry in Ontario...like I said, I won't get into that. I won't get into the millions and millions of dollars spent on the Aerospace industry in Quebec on a yearly basis...like I said, I won't get into that. I won't get into how the 1965 Canada-U.S. Auto Pact ensured that Ontario would be the benficiary of numerous auto production plants from Chrysler, Ford and General Motors...once again, I won't get into that.
But what I will get into is what I spoke about yesterday, no matter how you look at the 2005 off-shore deal (whether it's outrageous in your mind or it is legit?), the main concern here is a promise which was made by the current Prime Minister to keep the accord, in its original form, intact. A promise which he broke by agreeing to sign off on the O'Brien formula.
So essentially it's like the federal government saying to Ontario that we have decided to renege on the auto pact agreement signed by the government of Canada back in 1965 (but don't worry when your economy completely tanks as a result we will send you a check). I know, I know why would someone possible want to do that? as it would be economic suicide for that province, but are you starting to get the picture now? (circa Atlantic Canada & the National policy of 1879, i.e. Tariffs)
So to me, this is more than money, policy or regional favouratism, it's about keeping your word to an area that badly wants to get off equalization payments once and for all. Let National Post columnist Andrew Coyne explain:
As Opposition Leader, Mr. Harper was not only unequivocal in committing to full exclusion of resource revenues from any new equalization formula -- meaning no clawbacks -- but that this should apply, well, forever: i.e., sans cap. Here he is in the House of Commons on November 4, 2004:
"Why should Newfoundland's possibility of achieving levels of prosperity comparable to the rest of Canada be limited to an artificial eight year period? ? Why is the government so eager to ensure that Newfoundland and Labrador always remain below the economic level of Ontario? The Ontario clause is unfair and insulting to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, and its message to that province, to Nova Scotia and to all of Atlantic Canada is absolutely clear. They can only get what they were promised if they agree to remain have-not provinces forever."It is not true, then, to say that the Accord has been violated. It is true that Mr. Harper played Atlantic Canadians for suckers. At least he is paying the price.
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Crosbie is spewing nonsense. He says himself the purpose of the '85 Accords was to allow the industry to develop. How that relates to a now mature industry that will raise NL's fiscal capacity higher than Ontario's in a few years is lost on me.
As for the ongoing debate, I simply don't see how anyone can get behind Williams and MacDonald when what they are asking for is to have Ontario and Alberta continue to pay them equalization when NL & NS (based on current oil/gas prices) will not only be "have" provinces in a few years but actually have a higher fiscal capacity than Ontario. How can anyone justify continuing with such a scheme? Yes, Martin screwed everyone by signing the deals and Harper was an idiot to say he wouldn't touch them but surely this a simple case of correcting a flagrantly flawed agreement? I simply can't agree that the government's word on a hastily conceived case of special treatment is more important than re-establishing a reasonable approach to equalization that offers the same opportunities to all provinces.
As much as I agree with you in principal gene, government "history" definitely doesn't support your case. It would if the maritime region was a country founded in 2005. However, that's not the case.
God I hate that term "have" province. Saskatchewan is a supposed "have" province whose staple industries (agriculture) are in decline, educated people are leaving in large numbers, as well, their provincial deficit is rising, taxes are through the roof, birth rates are dropping alongside a weak immigration policy. If that the definition of a "have' province, then you can have it eugene, cuz I don't want it.
It takes time for provinces to recover from decades of poor federal policies and declining traditional industries. That is, if they recover at all?
Shutting down the Cod fishery in Newfoundland.
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Now there's a guy who spews out exaggerated good news for maritimers.
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tongue in cheeek.
Yeah, I use the have / have not descriptor simply as another way of saying above or below the equalization line and I know I need to stop using those words. It is a terrible way to describe the situation. I forget where I read someone making the excellent point that if you're an immigrant, are you going to elect to settle in an area that is referred to as a "have not" region of Canada?
Ellen: huh?
Gene: full disclosure, I used to use the "have-not/have" terminology all the time, you can even read it on the papers I wrote about regionalization/globalization back in school.
However, I now see the point that using these terms on a regular basis is semi-defeatist or reverse marketing when it comes to selling the province to outside businesses, investors and immigrants.
NB, I hope you're not talking about me, reference the spat. If we all agreed all the time this planet would be a very boring place.
Posted By nb taxpayer "As much as I agree with you in principal gene, government "history" definitely doesn't support your case. It would if the maritime region was a country founded in 2005. However, that's not the case."
Come on nb, surely you aren't trying to claim historical wrongs entitle you to this money.
As for the points you make in your original post I can't argue with you, but I believe that ALL these payouts by government to big corporations were a waste, not just the select few you pointed out.
I could also point out many more, including the billions spent in the Maritimes, but as I said they are all wrong headed.
I will say this though, I remember growing up in Halifax and even back in the late 70's the writing was on the wall about the fishery drying up but did maritime governments diversify? No.
Successive provincial governments sat back wringing their hands and demanded the federal government to "Do something" As if some Ottawa bureaucrat could wave a magical HB pencil and make the fish stocks come back.
I do agree that this issue has been handled incorrectly by the PMO, and Danny Williams (the guy aught to be a lead in a Soap Opera) and unfortunately Rodney MacDonald has discarded good sense and a level head only, in the end to be trumped by Lorne Calvert saying that he will go to a constitutional court over what is a purely Federal program(ie. not subject to provincial approval or disapproval in any way shape or form).
I guess we are going to have to disagree, but we can be agreeable while doing so I hope.
Cheers,
Zip
Zip: Come on, what we had could almost be described as a friendly agreement. ;-) These were personal emails filled with ad hominems from other ppl.
I see where you're coming from though on this one, however, I am not arguing the foundations of equalization and its so-called functions.
I just find it hard to take these guys at their word anymore when they have backed so far away from their conservative principles. And as you can see from the polls, trying to act like a Liberal is not working.
If anything, they should cut the massive corporate welfare schemes and trim the bureaucracy in your neck of the woods instead of picking on regions that need to reverse their dependency on government.
Actually the best analysis I've seen, at least the site with a whole bunch of reading and background is "NB Tory Lady".
OK... she's bias, but I haven't seen anybody else offer the same sort of background on the issue. What I have seen is lots of slander, rhetoric, finger pointing and crying. is it so much to ask that our politicians do better?
That's the problem with people these days, they are easily fooled by the cut-and-paste crowd.
A senator in Ottawa (who will remain unnamed) once told me that the problem with politicos, members of parliament and their staff is that they plagiarize old ideas. In other words, the trade of politics fails to attract real leaders, budding academics or executives who are capable of taking on the problems of tomorrow.
I think that side of politics that the senator talked about has really shown its face in recent months. I haven't seen a good arguement anywhere regarding the environment or fiscal federalism.
Hopefully, Tom Corchene will come out of hiding to make a few comments and put these lightweights to shame.
Kit....lol
It has taken me a lifetime to make a committment to a party. Something I thought I would never do. Simply put...I am happy being a conservative. If I have any gripes you can bet I will not put them "out there" publically. I will make it known by writing a letter or letters till I am heard. There has been so much torie bashing that I am happy to infiltrate my blog with positive *grins*. I am happy in my work :-) I wish I could claim I was the author of said explanations - but another more "balanced" person did them up and I was happy to post them. That person thanks you for the plug.
NB Taxpayer just noticed your "cut and paste" comment. Said author spent a lot of time thinking, seeking, and putting more than cut and paste into it. A researcher and ideas person is hard to find.
You may not like it...but that does not say this person should be written off just because they are not a journalist or from some university professorship. Who knows...you know bloggers come from many walks of life and offer up their experiences to date. Their credentials are unknown yes, but are just as acceptable.
I, too, was a culprit of acting like a pseudo expert this week. Shame on moi. ;-)
Btw, i'll get back to what I know best...that being, nothing. Have a great weekend folks.
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